goatmasterflash ([info]goatmasterflash) wrote in [info]chelonia,

cranky turtle problems

One of my turtles, Hannibal, absolutely hates me, despite the fact that I have never mistreated him. He dislikes people in general (except for my brother, who he absolutely adores, and he'll very occasionally take a shine to some totally random stranger), but he really goes out of his way to actively hate me. You'll have to trust me that I'm not being over-sensative.

Hannibal is a Giant Asian Pond Turtle (Heosemys grandis), roughly 10 years old (I've had him for 6), weighs about 9 lbs, lives outdoors during the summer, and always has free access to water (for swimming & drinking), basking, burrowing, and plenty of roaming space (though he often finds the coldest, darkest corner he can and stays there)

One major problem is that he won't eat if he is not hand-fed. He's gone several weeks without food to prove this point, only to readily eat from my hand. Until recently. Now it takes half an hour or more of me coaxing him to eat before he takes a bite. Its stressful for him and time-consuming for me. My brother occasionally takes Hannibal for a week or two, during which time he turns into a completely different turtle who immediately eats (still only from the hand) and shows interest in other turtle activities. My brother lives three hours away, doesn't have an ideal turtle set-up, and cannot keep Hannibal for longer amounts of time. I don't know if getting to spend time with a person he really likes is worth the stress of a 3 hour car ride.

I generally leave Hannibal alone while attending to his needs as best I can, but I'm growing increasingly concerned about the eating issue. I'd give him to a turtle sanctuary, but I'm very worried that he doesn't know how to adequately care for himself (eating when not hand-fed, regulating his body temp, etc. he seems to lack some necessary instincts).

I have no idea what caused these problems, whether its something I did, the fault of a previous owner/breeder, or just the nature of the turtle. Any thoughts or recommendations on the matter will be greatly appreciated.


S(hanny)2
that's the remnants of a banana all over H's face

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[info]sometime_soon

June 3 2006, 02:49:50 UTC 5 years ago

He is pissed because you named him Hannibal, haha jk.

[info]mesangecoeur

June 3 2006, 03:20:37 UTC 5 years ago

Aww, I'm sorry I have no advice, but Hannibal is incredibly adorable! Don't listen to that other person, Hannibal is like the best name ever.

[info]sometime_soon

June 3 2006, 03:22:23 UTC 5 years ago

I was just kidding! When I think Hannibal, I think of the Anthony Hopkins character, so it makes sense that Hannibal, the turtle would be angry:)

[info]mesangecoeur

June 3 2006, 03:24:31 UTC 5 years ago

*whispers* I have a big crush on Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal. =p

Except the whole face-eating thing. That... not so much....

[info]thaumaturge

June 3 2006, 20:23:29 UTC 5 years ago

Haha, but a face-eating turtle kind of fits.

[info]goatmasterflash

June 3 2006, 03:30:36 UTC 5 years ago

It was Annabelle back when he was much much smaller and yet-to-be-sexed, but as it turns out, the turtle's a dude. You simply cannot call a boy-turtle who is that big Annabelle. So, Hannibal it is. Close enough, right?

[info]mesangecoeur

June 3 2006, 03:32:22 UTC 5 years ago

Lol, that's completely awesome.

My two female sliders were once upon a time called Burt and Ernie.

[info]goatmasterflash

June 3 2006, 06:55:34 UTC 5 years ago

who are they now?

[info]mesangecoeur

June 3 2006, 09:42:39 UTC 5 years ago

Mia and Fabienne, and my boy is Freddie.

Tarantino characters, see? I'm a dork.

[info]goatmasterflash

June 3 2006, 03:34:08 UTC 5 years ago

ps

sometimes I call him Hanny. Or Scribbles.

[info]cbustapeck

June 3 2006, 04:12:16 UTC 5 years ago

Do you have a vet that you take him to? A vet with a reptile or turtle specialty should be able to give you some advice and help.

[info]goatmasterflash

June 3 2006, 05:04:13 UTC 5 years ago

My regular vet, who's quite good with my box turtles, has seen him and proclaims him to be "cranky, but in good health" while feigning ignorance regarding Asian species.

It doesn't seem to be a medical problem so much as a personality disorder. He really acts like a totally different turtle whenever my brother is around (I really wish my brother could just take him in, sigh) I'm wondering if another vet would be useful...

[info]cbustapeck

June 3 2006, 05:26:30 UTC 5 years ago

It can't hurt to see another vet, just to get a second opinion.

Maybe, for some reason, he just doesn't feel comfortable with the environment that he's in. That would explain why he demands to be hand fed and probably why he runs off into the dark corners. What would the solution be? Beats me.

[info]goatmasterflash

June 3 2006, 06:54:24 UTC 5 years ago

Yeah. I try my hardest, but its damn near impossible to replicate the ideal conditions for him (think S.E. Asia) while allowing him the space that a turtle his size needs. Although he's absolutely amazing to look at, he's clearly not the best species for a pet. He was a rescue, though, and I imagine that at least some of the damage was done before I got him. If I took him to another vet, I'd want to be absolutely certain they're familiar with his species. Most aren't. Wouldn't hurt any to look for one, it's true.

I know that reptiles can be physiologically depressed. Can they be psychologically depressed? I like to attribute all manner of charming personalities to my turtles, but their brains are tiny and primitive so I assume a lot of it is personification on my part. That doesn't mean I don't love to indulge them though.

Oddly enough, two years ago Hanny crapped out 14 cents that I'm 100% certain I didn't hand feed him. X-rays don't show anything else in there that's not supposed to be...

[info]cbustapeck

June 3 2006, 13:14:43 UTC 5 years ago

Eating money, eh? Strange. Not that I have much room to talk, with some of my turtles being escape artists and all.

[info]goatmasterflash

June 3 2006, 14:22:29 UTC 5 years ago

turtles are real stinkers when it comes to escaping, or general naughtiness, aren't they?
it's part of their overall charm. I'm not sure there's a single thing any of my boxies could do that * wouldn't* melt my heart. Ok, maybe if they killed my mother, or something. :P

[info]cbustapeck

June 3 2006, 14:48:29 UTC 5 years ago

Oh, come on, they wouldn't kill your mother. They might take a chomp here or there, though.

[info]pink_geisha

June 3 2006, 13:15:59 UTC 5 years ago

What Cbustapeck said got me thinking...

You said he demands to be handfed and will only act happy with your brother who does not have adequet housing for him. Is it possiable that his original owners imprinted on him improper living conditions so he's simply more comfortable with your brother. Like, he enjoys living indoors or in a small area because that's what he knows best and feels best. Try to find out how your brother keeps him and mimic that and see how your turtle responds.

[info]cbustapeck

June 3 2006, 13:20:11 UTC 5 years ago

This all has me thinking: maybe he just needs some more space in his habitat where he can feel secure. More logs/rocks to crawl under, perhaps.

[info]pink_geisha

June 3 2006, 13:36:56 UTC 5 years ago

Agreed. You can look into both theories to see if a different enviroment effects him. I'd say go with Cbustapeck's idea first and buy a few more logs to put into his enviroment, since the current enviroment is best suited for his needs. If that doesn't work, ask what your brother does.

Either way it'll probably take some time for your turtle to warm up to the new situation since they're not the best with change.

[info]cbustapeck

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[info]cbustapeck

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[info]geckopaws

June 3 2006, 15:21:48 UTC 5 years ago

well

Maybe it could be because you named him hannibal. LOL just kidding.

[info]sometime_soon

June 3 2006, 17:07:11 UTC 5 years ago

Re: well

ook

[info]urania

June 3 2006, 23:37:28 UTC 5 years ago

About the general, ongoing grumpiness, I have no idea.

But about recently being even more hesitant to eat than usual... it sounded like you've taken him to the vet recently, but if you haven't, I'd sure recommend it. Could be he's got an infection coming up, or something.

Anyhow. Good luck!

[info]goatmasterflash

June 5 2006, 03:23:06 UTC 5 years ago

latest news

We've arranged it such that Hannibal can stay with my brother until August, at which time we will re-evaluate the situation. I think it'll be better for Hannibal, even if it wouldn't be ideal for another turtle of the same species.

meanwhile, my box turtles are going to *love* screwing around in Hanny's outdoor enclosure (bigger than theirs, and new terrain for them!)

[info]elusivecallie

June 5 2006, 16:35:41 UTC 5 years ago

I had a similar issue with my Emily (who's actually male). She would hide for days on end, and refused to eat anything but her one favorite (corn). She would hold out, and refuse anything else, until i caved and gave her what she wanted. A visit to the vet turned up an intestinal parasite which had left her without many of the nutrients needed to make her lively, and encourage a healthy appetite. Maybe your turtle has something similar going on.

Does your turtle seem to favor male strangers? Maybe hannibal just doesnt like girls? Could it also be a matter of scent? Your brother smokes, could the tobacco smell be what peaks his appetite? Try and recreate things as much as possible, and see what works. Also, you could try confining hannibal to a small space when you feed him, so that he cannot avoid the food. It's worth a shot. Try introducing a new food to him that he has not previously tried. Perhaps that might get him to eat it.
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